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	<title>Comments on: Right, then. We fought. I won. The end. Pay up.</title>
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	<description>This blog is supposed to be about all sorts of things but, shall we say, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a minor interest of mine.</description>
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		<title>By: nullasalus</title>
		<link>http://www.moley75.co.uk/2007/06/28/right-then-we-fought-i-won-the-end-pay-up/comment-page-1/#comment-133</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also do not have a high opinion of this episode. But I do not have a high opinion of Spike post-&quot;Something Blue&quot; or so. I don&#039;t think that any of the Spike flashbacks are particularly illuminating. The scene in which Drusilla sires Spike is way too similar to Angel&#039;s siring by Darla in &quot;Becoming, Part 1,&quot; and not nearly as sexy and creepy.

The strange thing about this episode for me is that I really like the first three scenes. The opening scene feels like a continuation of the teaser of &quot;Helpless,&quot; which I like. I even like the scene with Buffy, Riley, and Dawn, and two of those characters really irk me. (&quot;Who&#039;s the man?&quot; &quot;You are. A very short, annoying man.&quot; Hee!) With Buffy really concentrating on becoming a super slayer during this season, I think that her interest in previous slayers&#039; deaths and more pressing awareness of her mortality is interesting. And I actually don&#039;t mind Spike&#039;s insight that all slayers want to die; in fact, I even like it. I always enjoy Spike&#039;s ability to cut through the crap, which is probably why I dislike all the crap he spews about his past during this episode. If the episode had involved Buffy exploring her mortality in a different way with Spike coming in at the end of that exploration to cut through the crap and say what he said, I probably would have liked it more.

Riley and the Scoobies... Where do I start? Let me backtrack momentarily -- I like the first three scenes of the episode, but I don&#039;t like that Riley is the one who saves Buffy. I wish Willow and Xander had showed up or Buffy had limped away in shame, but only because I know that Riley totally got off on Buffy needing his help like that and I&#039;m all about denying Riley that satisfaction. I do see the point that the writers were trying to make with Riley patrolling with the Scoobies. Throughout the season Riley isolates himself from the Scoobies and never quite gels with the group, which I think contributes to his decision to leave in &quot;Into the Woods.&quot; The patrolling scenes demonstrate Riley&#039;s separation from the group and their difference in demon-fighting styles, but I think that distinction could have been made without characterizing the Scoobies as idiots. Xander and Willow patrolled without Buffy for several months between seasons two and three, and have clocked plenty of other field time as well. They have no excuse for acting that clueless.

Oh, and I blame the slow motion on the crossover with &#039;Angel.&#039; If I remember correctly, the slo-mo shot felt less arbitrary in the context of the &#039;Angel&#039; episode, probably because slo-mo was used regularly. Another stylistic technique that felt out of place was &#039;70s Spike talking to present-day Buffy. It was a little postmodern for the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also do not have a high opinion of this episode. But I do not have a high opinion of Spike post-&#8221;Something Blue&#8221; or so. I don&#8217;t think that any of the Spike flashbacks are particularly illuminating. The scene in which Drusilla sires Spike is way too similar to Angel&#8217;s siring by Darla in &#8220;Becoming, Part 1,&#8221; and not nearly as sexy and creepy.</p>
<p>The strange thing about this episode for me is that I really like the first three scenes. The opening scene feels like a continuation of the teaser of &#8220;Helpless,&#8221; which I like. I even like the scene with Buffy, Riley, and Dawn, and two of those characters really irk me. (&#8220;Who&#8217;s the man?&#8221; &#8220;You are. A very short, annoying man.&#8221; Hee!) With Buffy really concentrating on becoming a super slayer during this season, I think that her interest in previous slayers&#8217; deaths and more pressing awareness of her mortality is interesting. And I actually don&#8217;t mind Spike&#8217;s insight that all slayers want to die; in fact, I even like it. I always enjoy Spike&#8217;s ability to cut through the crap, which is probably why I dislike all the crap he spews about his past during this episode. If the episode had involved Buffy exploring her mortality in a different way with Spike coming in at the end of that exploration to cut through the crap and say what he said, I probably would have liked it more.</p>
<p>Riley and the Scoobies&#8230; Where do I start? Let me backtrack momentarily &#8212; I like the first three scenes of the episode, but I don&#8217;t like that Riley is the one who saves Buffy. I wish Willow and Xander had showed up or Buffy had limped away in shame, but only because I know that Riley totally got off on Buffy needing his help like that and I&#8217;m all about denying Riley that satisfaction. I do see the point that the writers were trying to make with Riley patrolling with the Scoobies. Throughout the season Riley isolates himself from the Scoobies and never quite gels with the group, which I think contributes to his decision to leave in &#8220;Into the Woods.&#8221; The patrolling scenes demonstrate Riley&#8217;s separation from the group and their difference in demon-fighting styles, but I think that distinction could have been made without characterizing the Scoobies as idiots. Xander and Willow patrolled without Buffy for several months between seasons two and three, and have clocked plenty of other field time as well. They have no excuse for acting that clueless.</p>
<p>Oh, and I blame the slow motion on the crossover with &#8216;Angel.&#8217; If I remember correctly, the slo-mo shot felt less arbitrary in the context of the &#8216;Angel&#8217; episode, probably because slo-mo was used regularly. Another stylistic technique that felt out of place was &#8217;70s Spike talking to present-day Buffy. It was a little postmodern for the show.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The slow motion is awful - the historical stuff is mostly a yawn (although any excuse to get Dru back on screen has to be a plus) I even thought Spike&#039;s fight with the NYC slayer intercut with Buffy and Spike &quot;bonding&quot; was just not particularly well paced - the fight might have been good - and I know how you love a punch up - but it didn&#039;t really work for me.

Which I guess means that I like even less than you about this episode! Blah rather than bad - and not enough sparkly dialogue to raise it above the ordinary - not a single quote in your post to make me smile...was there nothing?

&quot;The King of Cups expects a picnic! But this is not his birthday.&quot;

Good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The slow motion is awful &#8211; the historical stuff is mostly a yawn (although any excuse to get Dru back on screen has to be a plus) I even thought Spike&#8217;s fight with the NYC slayer intercut with Buffy and Spike &#8220;bonding&#8221; was just not particularly well paced &#8211; the fight might have been good &#8211; and I know how you love a punch up &#8211; but it didn&#8217;t really work for me.</p>
<p>Which I guess means that I like even less than you about this episode! Blah rather than bad &#8211; and not enough sparkly dialogue to raise it above the ordinary &#8211; not a single quote in your post to make me smile&#8230;was there nothing?</p>
<p>&#8220;The King of Cups expects a picnic! But this is not his birthday.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point.</p>
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