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	<title>Comments on: Eximete! Vis zenobia! Solvere!</title>
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	<description>This blog is supposed to be about all sorts of things but, shall we say, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a minor interest of mine.</description>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.moley75.co.uk/2009/03/11/eximete-vis-zenobia-solvere/comment-page-1/#comment-674</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s gotta be &quot;Can you just be kissing me now?&quot;

That&#039;s basically the final moment when it might still have been possible for things to be okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's gotta be "Can you just be kissing me now?"</p>
<p>That's basically the final moment when it might still have been possible for things to be okay.</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie b</title>
		<link>http://www.moley75.co.uk/2009/03/11/eximete-vis-zenobia-solvere/comment-page-1/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>stephanie b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@darkpoole&lt;/b&gt;: Regarding never seeing anything out of Buffy&#039;s line of sight, there is actually a shot in the teaser of a hallway that Buffy would not have been able to see.

My only other entry for possible &quot;Entropy&quot; post titles: &quot;True, but technically you&#039;re one-and-a-half.&quot; OK, and maybe &quot;Can you just be kissing me now?&quot; if you&#039;re sappy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@darkpoole</b>: Regarding never seeing anything out of Buffy's line of sight, there is actually a shot in the teaser of a hallway that Buffy would not have been able to see.</p>
<p>My only other entry for possible "Entropy" post titles: "True, but technically you're one-and-a-half." OK, and maybe "Can you just be kissing me now?" if you're sappy.</p>
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		<title>By: darkpoole</title>
		<link>http://www.moley75.co.uk/2009/03/11/eximete-vis-zenobia-solvere/comment-page-1/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>darkpoole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I loved this episode. And I had no problem with the final scene, because while I know it was designed to mess with our heads, it was pretty clearly Buffy briefly lapsing back into the asylum delusion before she drank the magic potion. (Proof the asylum world wasn&#039;t real: we never, even ONCE, saw anything out of Buffy&#039;s line of sight or heard anything out of her earshot. Not even in the final shot, where the camera stayed on Buffy&#039;s face the whole time even as it moved into the hallway. In Sunnydale, though, lots of stuff happens when Buffy isn&#039;t there to see it.)

That said, I agree with you about the season as a whole being pretty bad for a whole lot of reasons. Aside from the obvious stuff (Spuffy, Willow as addict, the Dark Willow trilogy, depresso-Buffy), there was the good:bad episode ratio. Using S4 as a comparison: I didn&#039;t care much about the Adam/Initiative storyline, but S4 had about a dozen really good episodes and only a couple of bad ones. It was easy to forgive the Initiative stuff when I had Hush, Restless, Something Blue, A New Man, and so forth to keep me happy. 

Season six, by comparison, had three episodes that really stood out for me (OMWF, Tabula Rasa, Normal Again), a few decent ones that I can take or leave, and a bunch that I disliked (Smashed, Hells Bells, Entropy, Seeing Red) or outright hated (Wrecked, Gone, Doublemeat Palace, As You Were, Villains, Two to Go, Grave). I could have forgiven a lot of the bad stuff in S6 if it had ten individually brilliant episodes and only two or three bad ones, instead of the other way round.

&lt;i&gt;Giles’ absence has been keenly felt and not just for the Scooby gang. His mature, adult presence stuck the show together (and ensured less screen time for other characters).&lt;/i&gt;

So very true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I loved this episode. And I had no problem with the final scene, because while I know it was designed to mess with our heads, it was pretty clearly Buffy briefly lapsing back into the asylum delusion before she drank the magic potion. (Proof the asylum world wasn't real: we never, even ONCE, saw anything out of Buffy's line of sight or heard anything out of her earshot. Not even in the final shot, where the camera stayed on Buffy's face the whole time even as it moved into the hallway. In Sunnydale, though, lots of stuff happens when Buffy isn't there to see it.)</p>
<p>That said, I agree with you about the season as a whole being pretty bad for a whole lot of reasons. Aside from the obvious stuff (Spuffy, Willow as addict, the Dark Willow trilogy, depresso-Buffy), there was the good:bad episode ratio. Using S4 as a comparison: I didn't care much about the Adam/Initiative storyline, but S4 had about a dozen really good episodes and only a couple of bad ones. It was easy to forgive the Initiative stuff when I had Hush, Restless, Something Blue, A New Man, and so forth to keep me happy. </p>
<p>Season six, by comparison, had three episodes that really stood out for me (OMWF, Tabula Rasa, Normal Again), a few decent ones that I can take or leave, and a bunch that I disliked (Smashed, Hells Bells, Entropy, Seeing Red) or outright hated (Wrecked, Gone, Doublemeat Palace, As You Were, Villains, Two to Go, Grave). I could have forgiven a lot of the bad stuff in S6 if it had ten individually brilliant episodes and only two or three bad ones, instead of the other way round.</p>
<p><i>Giles’ absence has been keenly felt and not just for the Scooby gang. His mature, adult presence stuck the show together (and ensured less screen time for other characters).</i></p>
<p>So very true.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.moley75.co.uk/2009/03/11/eximete-vis-zenobia-solvere/comment-page-1/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh...and now I do as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh...and now I do as well...</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie b</title>
		<link>http://www.moley75.co.uk/2009/03/11/eximete-vis-zenobia-solvere/comment-page-1/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>stephanie b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I know what the &quot;two episodes to go&quot; thing means and it makes me sniffle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I know what the "two episodes to go" thing means and it makes me sniffle.</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie b</title>
		<link>http://www.moley75.co.uk/2009/03/11/eximete-vis-zenobia-solvere/comment-page-1/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>stephanie b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would pick &quot;What kind of lesbians are you? If you love men so much, go love men!&quot; but I&#039;m not sure that you would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would pick "What kind of lesbians are you? If you love men so much, go love men!" but I'm not sure that you would.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oohhh! Lemme play!

Here&#039;s my best guess:

Can We Just Skip It?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oohhh! Lemme play!</p>
<p>Here's my best guess:</p>
<p>Can We Just Skip It?</p>
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		<title>By: moley75</title>
		<link>http://www.moley75.co.uk/2009/03/11/eximete-vis-zenobia-solvere/comment-page-1/#comment-667</link>
		<dc:creator>moley75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lizzy, thanks for noticing that line but I do have every intention of finishing seasons 6 and 7 to the best of my ability and energy resources!
===
There is a virtual prize for the person who correctly predicts the title of my &quot;Entropy&quot; post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lizzy, thanks for noticing that line but I do have every intention of finishing seasons 6 and 7 to the best of my ability and energy resources!<br />
===<br />
There is a virtual prize for the person who correctly predicts the title of my "Entropy" post.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzy</title>
		<link>http://www.moley75.co.uk/2009/03/11/eximete-vis-zenobia-solvere/comment-page-1/#comment-666</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Only two episodes to go.&quot;

You won&#039;t review the rest of season 6? I&#039;ll miss the Tara quotes. :)
Ironically, one BtVS quote that gave me the most satisfaction is &quot;Shut up, shut up! You do not get to say her name...&quot; Heh.  

I felt that &#039;Normal Again&#039; was a very good episode. I guess it helped that I never really gave the ending scene much thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Only two episodes to go."</p>
<p>You won't review the rest of season 6? I'll miss the Tara quotes. <img src='http://www.moley75.co.uk/letsfoldscarves/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Ironically, one BtVS quote that gave me the most satisfaction is "Shut up, shut up! You do not get to say her name..." Heh.  </p>
<p>I felt that 'Normal Again' was a very good episode. I guess it helped that I never really gave the ending scene much thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.moley75.co.uk/2009/03/11/eximete-vis-zenobia-solvere/comment-page-1/#comment-665</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit that I adored the conceit of this episode, I liked, for the most part, how it was deliverd and the ambiguity of it...UNTIL...that ending which, in my mind left the viewer no alternative but to accept that the whole thing has been in Buffy&#039;s head - and that is just wrong. I have been forced to swallow lots over five and a half seasons, but to declare quite so brutally that all you have watched hasn&#039;t been real felt like a kick in the teeth.

I don&#039;t think I have the emotional attachment to the series that you have and because of that I think I have been able to tolerate it more as &lt;blasphemy&gt;just TV&lt;/blasphemy&gt; but this asked me to accept just too much...maybe, later than for most, &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; was my shark-jumping moment - because for the first time I really felt cheated!

Good point about the lack of an adult to keep these kids under control!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit that I adored the conceit of this episode, I liked, for the most part, how it was deliverd and the ambiguity of it...UNTIL...that ending which, in my mind left the viewer no alternative but to accept that the whole thing has been in Buffy's head - and that is just wrong. I have been forced to swallow lots over five and a half seasons, but to declare quite so brutally that all you have watched hasn't been real felt like a kick in the teeth.</p>
<p>I don't think I have the emotional attachment to the series that you have and because of that I think I have been able to tolerate it more as &lt;blasphemy&gt;just TV&lt;/blasphemy&gt; but this asked me to accept just too much...maybe, later than for most, <em>this</em> was my shark-jumping moment - because for the first time I really felt cheated!</p>
<p>Good point about the lack of an adult to keep these kids under control!</p>
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